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Miners => Den => Topic started by: MinerInWisconsin on September 25, 2023, 12:32:05 PM
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I don't have much faith that UTEP's admin will let Dimel go this year but that's my hope. So based only on hope, I want UTEP to hire a new HC fhat has a record of success at some level.
I've seen Robert Rodriguez mentioned on other forums but he has always a position coach in the nfl. We've been down that road recently and it was a disaster.
One guy I like is the Idaho coach, Jason Eck. Last year he took over a losing team and had a winning season and into the fcs playoffs. Doing well this year too with a win over fbs Nevada.
I'm sure there are other good possibilities out there, maybe even OC at Texas St, Mack Leftwich. Helluva offense and a win over Baylor. That program is being turned around.
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I want a winning winner who?s winning now and before. I want a fricken guaranteed winner. We aren?t underwater in debt. We have a fan base of standing room only fifty thousand guaranteed to literally rock the Sun Bowl for a winning team. I want a sure bet coach. I have the fucking money waiting in desperate fans. Take a fucking chance. Show a little fight. Give a shit! Wilson. Front porch? Show the people of El Fucking Paso the school is worth it. Show Texas that El Paso is TEXAS! Give Texas a reason to acknowledge it. At least try. You have never really even tried. The worst part is that the money is almost guaranteed. They won?t take a chance when there is almost no risk. Almost like they are anti-football.
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Someone that has won at a UTEP level or slightly lower. Prefer a HC over a coordinator because they understand how to run a program. It's different than being a coordinator and I don't really want to hire Leftwich and expect him to run the offense and coach. Hire him as OC. And for crying out loud fire Aaron Price. Special teams has been an embarrassment for years.
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The tough realization about all this is if we had dumped Dimel last year, we could have had a shot at Deion Sanders.
And we blew it. Dammit to heck. :(
lieb
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Wishing for Utep to hire a new coach is like throwing coins into a outhouse hole and wanting a wish to come true.
I heard a little bit, just a little bit mind you of Dim's press conference and I just went fast forward. Listening to this joker is like listening to die hard Democrats defend what Biden has accomplished. It's all gas lighting.
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Dismal Dimel. That's all I have to say.
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Is there any number of losses in a row that could get him canned and if so how many? 24?
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Please forgive me. I am a UTEP fan. I am using reverse jinxification by speaking about losses knowing that what I want is usually what happens and what I don?t want is what does. If it seems like I am mixed up that is part of the second part of the jinxification plan- to not be able to know what I want to keep it from being thwarted.
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Dismal Dimel!
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I didn't watch or listen. But I've read some of the comments and I gather we have ZERO QBs on the roster that should be playing D1. Not even guys on the bench that look like they could get there.
In football there is one position that is considered the most critical. One position that gets paid the most in the NFL, one position that fans talk the most about. QB. Now you'd think a guy with all the years of experience Dimel has would know this. But maybe not
Here's the possibilities that I can think of:
1. Dimel knows QB is important but can't recruit a good QB
2. Dimel doesn't think QB is all that important (see Kug)
3. Dimel gets decent QBs and they devolve while here
4. Dimel can't identify good QBs
There could be a combo of the above. If I were a good QB (or WR), why would I want to play for 10 points per game?
Which leads me to the thought that maybe a high scoring offense is much more attractive to all offensive players at every position.
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Dimel hates football. He doesn?t play football. His thing is to not let the other team play football, either. But teams that like football play football-not keep away and they just score instantly because the defense doesn?t practice against a football team they practice watching the offense do stupid shit over and over. Do you think the defense is practicing pass defense against the offense? Only other teams pass.
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I wonder if those two idiots in charge, the prez and the AD go to this site? It sure would be grand if they did at least they wouldn't be in their ivory towers not giving a Schiff about Utep sports and would hear the average fan and how we're at our lowest point of fandom.
They don't know El Paso's psychic, that if the Miners win the stands will be bursting and would generate all the money they need for a successful football team and basketball too for that matter. When I saw this woman get hired I thought that she would care about sports since she was at AFA, but I was wrong, she's just a tall Natalicio with the same mindset.
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The AD and Prez don't give two shits about this site, or any other one.
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Hey it's Z, welcome back my friend. You're right, they're like congress don't care about the average Joe.
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The AD and Prez don't give two shits about this site, or any other one.
Really they probably shouldn't. Online fan sites are for die hard kooks. They should however know enough to see that UTEP football is not succeeding.
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The AD and Prez don't give two shits about this site, or any other one.
Really they probably shouldn't. Online fan sites are for die hard kooks. They should however know enough to see that UTEP football is not succeeding.
The 5,000 fans in the stands this Friday should speak volumes.
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I was surprised that a good crowd for a Wednesday night game featuring a 2-5 home team showed up. 19.7k is good for that scenario.
Having said that, we are inching closer to a possible 2-10 season and canning Dimel. Our fan base is alive and well even after years of torture. Please hire a proven winner this time.
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I dream about a winning season the ensuing 40k + crowds at the SunBowl. It will happen if only we can get a winning coach instead of the losers we always get. Why are we so unlucky, even a school like Jax St can get a winning coach in their first year of FBS. It sometimes sucks to be a Utep fan.
I have the Miners fight song on my cell and someone asks me why I do and I tell them because we get to hear it so little because the Miners can't score and at least I don't want to forget how the tune goes. LOL
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I'm going to throw a candidate name out here and there 'cause, why not.
Brennan Marion, OC at UNLV. His "go go" offense is fast paced, his own invention and a combination of the triple option and the spread. They score a lot.
He was wr coach at Pitt in 2021. Pass game coordinator and wr coach at Texas in 2022 with other prior stops along the way. Only 36 years old.
Young, offensive minded and building a strong resume. Makes about $300k.
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Here is another possibility.
Brennan Carroll, OC at Arizona. Son of Pete Carroll. He has been TE coach at Miami Hurricanes and wr coach there as well. Was run game coordinator for his dad at the Seahawks and became the OC at Arizona in 2021. Makes abour $700k.
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I?ve cone to the conclusion that a fun high scoring offense is the correct answer for a school like UTEP. Players in the portal will be looking for a place they can out up gaudy numbers. And its a lot more fun for the fans. I might still watch a 3 win team that put up 35 points vs 7
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I?ve cone to the conclusion that a fun high scoring offense is the correct answer for a school like UTEP. Players in the portal will be looking for a place they can out up gaudy numbers. And its a lot more fun for the fans. I might still watch a 3 win team that put up 35 points vs 7
I remember the Bobby Dobbs days at Texas Western/UTEP. He came to the Miners from coaching in the CFL. He said that football should be entertaing and he brought in an exciting offense. The Miners were called the Flying Miners and it was a lot of fun for the fans. I hope our admin sees the value in someone like that.
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Another, somewhat obscure name is:
Scotty Walden, head coach at fcs Austin Peay. 27-19 is not sensational but he has not had a losing season and is considered one of the best young up and coming offensive minds in the sport. He is 33 and makes about $300k. Interesting that he is from Texas, played qb at Sul Ross, coached at Hardin Simmons so he is familiar with our part of the country and does recruit the transfer portal. They are 5-2 so far this year.
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The question is..........will the Admin buy out Dimel? He has one more year left on his contract.
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The question is..........will the Admin buy out Dimel? He has one more year left on his contract.
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ONE MORE YEAR! Imigosh, I thought that this was his last contract year. That seals his fate, be ready for some more "exciting Utep football" next year. Woe is me/us!
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The question is..........will the Admin buy out Dimel? He has one more year left on his contract.
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I think they need to find a donor to pay the bill - that is what the big schools do.
lieb
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The question is..........will the Admin buy out Dimel? He has one more year left on his contract.
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I think they need to find a donor to pay the bill - that is what the big schools do.
lieb
Maybe if one big donor writes a BIG check to the "University of Texas" that there will be an enterprising young bank teller that will add "at El Paso" to the check. LOL
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Another name to throw out is Jeff Banks. Currently the special teams coordinator and TE coach for Texas. He is in his 40's and makes $1M per year.
Played for Mike Price at WSU as a punter. Coached for Price at UTEP as rb coach and special teams coordinator for 9 years and also coached at Alabama along the way. Don't know if he ever wants to be a head coach but he has great experience at the biggest programs in the country plus knows UTEP and Texas recruiting.
UTEP would have to open the wallet to get him.
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Yet another name for UTEP to consider is Oregon State OC Brian Lindgren. Prolific offense, 43 years old and makes a little over $800k. I'm still hopefull that we will have a new coach in early December. Fingers crossed that it will be a coach that would never say, "we are not about scoring a lot of points. Thats not who we are." to quote Dimel.
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The competition for new head coaches is about to get fierce. Bigger, richer programs that could affect UTEP's search, assuming we will have a search, at this point are Northwestern, Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Michigan State, Boise State. Their hires will affect UTEP by trickle down. Other openings will occur as well. We might see Nevada, San Diego State and UNM in the market for new coaches soon too. We better open up the pocket book and get cracken.
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I'm going to throw a candidate name out here and there 'cause, why not.
Brennan Marion, OC at UNLV. His "go go" offense is fast paced, his own invention and a combination of the triple option and the spread. They score a lot.
He was wr coach at Pitt in 2021. Pass game coordinator and wr coach at Texas in 2022 with other prior stops along the way. Only 36 years old.
Young, offensive minded and building a strong resume. Makes about $300k.
This coach just interviewed for the San Diego State HC job.
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Let's ask Enemas U.'s AD to pick the next coach. They always do a much better job than our inefficient AD. I wonder how they do it?
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A coach to consider that is from EP but may be out of our price range is Tony White, DC at Nebraska. He went to Burges HS in EP and was DC at Syracuse prior to Nebraska. He has been contacted by San Diego State and Syracuse may be interested too. His head coach and boss at Nebraska recommends him highly as HC material. In his 40's and $1M per year.
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Why are we so obsessed with hiring people from EP or former players etc?
Not you necessarily just generally UTEP fans
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Why are we so obsessed with hiring people from EP or former players etc?
Not you necessarily just generally UTEP fans
I guess some are and I suppose its a love for the home town boy. I've mentioned several and the only other one remotely connected to the El Paso area is the coach at Austin Peay because he is a Texan and started college ball at Sul Ross. Oh, and Jeff Banks the TE and STC at Texas who coached under Price at UTEP. I think it is a plus to be somewhat familiar with El Paso and UTEP so they know if they like the culture, etc. But that's about it.
My personal favorite is Jason Eck, head coach at Idaho. He is from Wisconsin and as far as I know he has never set foot in El Paso. He won right off the bat at Idaho, once a losing program and he runs a wide open, fast paced offense.
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Isn?t Jeff Banks the guy who got in some trouble last year for the awkward football presentations to women?
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Fire Dimel!!!!!
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Isn?t Jeff Banks the guy who got in some trouble last year for the awkward football presentations to women?
I think he did have a bit of a problem so UTEP might not look in his direction.
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Anyone remember Major Applewhite? He is having some success as the OC at South Alabama now and had a winning record (barely) as the head coach of Houston a few years ago. Is his name still well known enough to attract recruits?
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Could we hope to hear the glorious news that we are moving on as early as tomorrow?
They say the two best days in the life of a boat owner are the day he buys it and the day he sells it. Much the same with UTEP football fans. The two best days are the day we hire a coach and the day we fire him.
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He is negotiating an extension. Trust the process. Three years. So no other school will steal him away.
It is how we roll. "Like a stone gathering moss, I stand at the bottom of the hill, pushing boulders to the top."_Kyyote from the song, "What I Do, Is Wrong"'
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He'll probably use the excuse that he had a lot of players hurt and not considering that he could have Georgia's FB team and still lose. He's a terrible coach and that's the only excuse he can use without shame. But...I guess I would try to keep an 800k job too even if I sucked at it.
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Dimel has said his team looks nothing like it did back in week 1 of the season, and that if the injuries hadn't occurred he's confident his team would be competing for a conference championship.
Dimel was asked after Saturday's loss if he expects to return next season.
His reply was "Sure, absolutely."
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Just more coach speak. It means absolutely nothing week in and week out. It's like politicians. People ask questions as though they are going to get a meaningful answer, a vague mealy mouthed response ensues, heads nod as if meaningful information was passed, and the press corp removes lips from asses just long enough to breathlessly report the nonsense verbatim. Lather rinse repeat.
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Now that we know that Dimel is absolutely not returning, anyone have a favorite name they would like to see as our next coach?
This is an exciting time because the right hire can make a huge difference in our football program.
Colin Deaver wrote that Tony White, DC at Nebraska and Mack Leftwich, OC at Texas State are interested. He also floated the name Gary Patterson. Patterson recently said he would like to coach again. Oddly enough, he and Jerry Kill are close friends. He is the winningest coach in TCU history. He and Kill are both in their early 60's.
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Is anyone interested in a coach from U of H whose first name is Dana? Because Holgorsen was just fired. So, we could have Dana Part Deux!
lieb
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Please no.
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OK I kinda griped before about why the discussion always involves ex players. It truly wasn't at MiW, just a general thing.
Now every article I read about the search mentions whether or not a coach has Texas ties or at least Texas recruiting ties. Does this matter? I'm not sure it does anymore. Am I wrong?
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Let me ask this question. How many of you ever remember landing a recruit? We got what we got. But you know who had McDonald all Americans lined up to play for him? Transfer qbs and receivers from cartel schools? Mike Price. Was it name or style of play. His name was fucking mud. But those players knew they would get a chance to win and shine. Folks, that?s what we call a clue. Kugler,nfl star o line coach and dumbel tried running game ground game time of possession football and both failed miserably. Price brings in wide open offense and the wins come along with packed houses.
As I look at sites and their choices I am stunned by some of them. UTEP defensive coordinator!
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Doesn?t directly answer the question of TX recruiting but relevant
Put up 30-40 points a game and I guarantee you?ll get a better selection of offensive players
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You?re right. It doesn?t but it does. What is Texas high school produce? Quarterbacks and running backs, maybe. Playing in front of fans and winning. The education should be a given. The women of El Paso are beautiful. No crime. Not much nite life but better than very many college towns. I think the recruiting thing is a non factor if you have a known good coach. Not so much if the guy is having to sell UTEP. El Paso is barely Texas. If we get so unknown untried coach from some small school for a ?good deal ? it can go bad or good. I want good or better. I want an attempt made that even I can?t complain about. I want a ?Hell yes!? hire! Won?t happen. The guy I want could easily recruit Texas or anywhere. Players want to play for him as much as I want him. What I get will be a lump of coal in my stocking.
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I hate it when the coaches get their way by maintaining that they be given 5 year contracts "to bring in their players" and all the while they keep losing ala coach Dismal. Give them at least 3 years to produce and every year after that they get a bonus AND A JOB. None of this extension Bull Schiff when all the while they're losing and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. All it does is guarantee the loser coach that he has a job or if fired a nice parachute, again, ala Dismal.
Remember this coach wannabes want the job, they're the ones applying for it, not the other way around unless they're a winning and known commodity. No one ever goes to a job thinking the way coach applicants do. We're grateful that at least we have a job and will be able to feed our families. Oh no, not coach applicants, they're prima donnas even before they set foot in a schools athletic offices. We need ADs that have cajones and put their feet to the fire. "oh so you want all this before even starting a game?" No can do, should be the answer.
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Depends who it is and who is in command. How many coaches want us vs how many teams want them. For us to land the kind of coach those of us on this board want, we'll probably pretty much have to give whatever they ask.
Unfortunately, Senter seems to have about the negotiating skills of a wet noodle. He handed the keys to the kingdom to a washed up not even has been, but a washed up never was for the last half decade. And extended him. There was no competition from other schools for Dimel. None. And we still gave him a golden parachute.
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I am still kind of half serious that we need to talk to the UT AD and their NIL guys. We commit to running whatever offense and defense UT is going to run and we get their development players but the UT NIL guys have to pay for them to be here for development. We become UT's 3A team. There's no shame in that, and the rest of Texas will kinda follow UTEP a little bit to see the upcoming players.
We will never be anywhere near UT quality, but even their development players will be a LOT better than what we've had, and better than the remainder of CUSA.
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I am still kind of half serious that we need to talk to the UT AD and their NIL guys. We commit to running whatever offense and defense UT is going to run and we get their development players but the UT NIL guys have to pay for them to be here for development. We become UT's 3A team. There's no shame in that, and the rest of Texas will kinda follow UTEP a little bit to see the upcoming players.
We will never be anywhere near UT quality, but even their development players will be a LOT better than what we've had, and better than the remainder of CUSA.
Splendid idea...but I don't know if it would be legal in the Ncaa's eyes. But, since it's a Cartel school they get away with more Schiff than the regular schools so I think you may have something there and it can happen.
I never thought we'd be saying that Ut austin would be heads above us in BB. How times change. *sigh*
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Well we are likely only a day or 2 away from finding out who our new head football coach will be. As Miner fans we are full of both anticipation and dread at the same time.
Local sports media are listing Brennan Marion UNLV OC, Scotty Walden Austin Peay HC, Kenny Perry Texas Tech AHC STC RB, and Eric Price former UTEP OC and NFL Offensive Analyst as the assumed 4 finalists based on reports. Could be others involved I suppose.
I wonder how other openings are affecting UTEP's choice. UNM, Nevada and MTSU are now open as well. With reports from Colin Deaver that UTEP is going to have an NIL for football, improve facilities and football salaries, it sounds like they are finally going to make a true effort to compete for conference championships. We'll see.
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What in blue tarnation is an NIL. My pet peeve, people using acronyms when they're the only ones knowing what the heck it is. The Navy is terrible for this. As an AF guy when I joined the Navy Reserve I got bombarded with acronyms and most of the time I didn't know heck from hoot. Please post the word first then use the acronym to your hearts content.
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Thought NIL was pretty well known by now. Name, Image, or Likeness. It?s how programs with rich donors buy players
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Thought NIL was pretty well known by now. Name, Image, or Likeness. It?s how programs with rich donors buy players
Nope, I thought it meant Non-Informed Liberal. ;D
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Those have no known value
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I would ask Enemas U's assistant coach and OC if he wants the job. He did a fine job with the Ugglies, and has a good resume in college ball.
I hope the Smu second string QB gets into the portal and Utep goes after him. He does not play like a freshman. He is good ala Salter.
When I say that he would play in the absence of the first stringer I didn't give Smoo a chance. How mistaken I was this kid is good.
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Latest info according to Colin Deaver, Scotty Walden, Eric Price and Kenny Perry were interviewed this weekend and another name I hadn't heard mentioned interviewd Friday and that id Zach Kittley OC at Texas Tech. Brennan Marion will be interviewed today. Hopefully a (good) decision will be made tomorrow.
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...and the waiting starts. *le sigh*
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Other site says its Marion and he will bring the Go Go offense to UTEP. UNLV hung 45 on us this year.
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Well I gues that was premature as EP Times says it?s Walden
I saw a Walden quote where he said ?I don?t care about time of possession ?
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"In five of six semesters since Walden arrived, the Austin Peay football team has posted a 3.00 team grade-point average, including a program record 3.28 GPA during the spring 2022 semester. The Governors also claimed the 2020-21 and 2021-22 OVC Team Academic Achievement Awards, which were presented annually in each of the 17 conference-sponsored sports to the member institution?s team with the greatest percentage of its eligible student-athletes who achieved a 3.25 GPA or higher."
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Between two attractive options, this may be what tipped the scales
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From what my neighbor said it is Walden. She knows him personally through her son who is also a coach at Sul Ross. The two played together there too. She asked her son if maybe he'd have a chance to be in some sort of capacity at Utep with him and her son told her that he's reached out to Scotty, as they call him, and he never responded to his messages when he was at Austin Peay.
Well, I guess we have a new coach, brand spanking new and he came to us on sale probably. I hope we didn't pay him too much and will be required to prove himself first. We.Shall.See.
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Seems like a good hire!
Honestly, there really weren?t any duds in the group of interviewees.
Welcome to UTEP, Coach Walden!
Let?s go Miners!!
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What does he have to work with? A couple years ago we were all saying that Dimel had significantly upgraded the overall talent. Does everyone still feel that way?
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If Enemas U.'s third string QB enters the portal the Miners should go after him. He's got a lot of upside and is the atypical QB with his size. He's fast and has accuracy with his passes. He came in the fourth quarter against Liberty and did a fine job. Walden should go after a QB but he might just bring in his from APSU. I saw videos of his team against Tennessee and AP gave them a good game and Tennessee at the time was ranked no. 9. 30-13 was the final score. Not bad for a FCS team. I was impressed with the team and it's because of his leadership.