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It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
« on: June 28, 2017, 12:11:13 PM »
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  • I can’t be the only one ready to talk UTEP Miners football. Since it is my intention to inform and stimulate some discussion I will give some stats.  Now, we all know that “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”-Twain>Disraeli. With that in mind I will try to avoid using them for such.  I have my biases but will try to keep it clean.  Perhaps it will also provide a simple baseline of information for those interested in the Kyyote’s Den Pre-Season Prediction Challenge. Here is how I will lay it out. It was my first concern to look at defense as I felt that Kugler’s offense was fairly steady.
    According to UTEP’s Athletics website Tom Mason will move into his second season as Sean Kugler’s Offensive Coordinator.  There should be considerable discussion about Mason as he has been coaching football since 1978. But, we will save that for another day.
    For Defense I looked at Total Defense, Yards Per Catch, and Red Zone Defense.  I should explain why I chose those particular stats. When I looked at Total Defense I found that under Mason Total Defense had improved significantly from the previous season under Kugler’s previous Defensive Coordinator. Ranked 93rd in FBS football for the 2015-16 season, the Miners had improved to a ranking of 7oth last year.  That is an impressive jump and a ranking of 70th in Total Defense would indicate at first glance an average defense.  For most, that would mean nothing, but for Miners’ fans average or normal is quite an improvement over abysmal or horrible.  But here is where I detected one of those lies.  I just felt some kind of cognitive dissonance because I never felt like the team’s defense was normal or average last year.
    It seemed to me that as I recalled it teams could basically score easily with either a long pass or be set up for a score with a long run.  My first instinct was to look at Yards Per Catch. I was somewhat surprised to find that in the 15-16 season UTEP was ranked 105th giving up an average about 11 yards a catch and the numbers last year wear almost identical, as was to ranking.  Horrible remaining very consistently horrible under two different Defensive Coordinators while interesting didn’t solve my curiosity.  I realized that yards per catch didn’t tell me what I felt in my gut.
    What I felt in my gut was that for years Kugler has use an almost exclusively an offense based on grinding it out with a pounding offensive line run blocking to beat up defenses and control time of possession. This served two purposes.  It matched his basic offensive philosophy based on his own personal experience as an offensive lineman and as an offensive line coach all the way up to years in the NFL, where he was matched perfectly with the Steelers. The second thing it did was to keep his defense exposed as little as possible.  The two go hand in hand naturally, but the UTEP Defense  was by far and away the greater concern.  For good reason.  Under Kugler, it seemed that the Miners could use 45 minutes of clock to score 17 points while the defense could give up scores in the blink of an eye leading to losses while having huge advantages in time of possession.
    So, I moved to Scoring Defense.  What I found was that in the 15-16 season the Miners ranked 98th giving up 32.9 points per game and in the 16-17 season the Miners were ranked 105th giving up 34.9 points a game.
    Finally, I looked a Red Zone Defense.  Bingo, perhaps.  In the 2015-16 season, the Miners were ranked 78th with teams scoring 0.854 of the time they got into the Red Zone.  That jumped to 117(T) ranked and almost automatic 0.913 in last season’s campaign.  What I also found was that it was necessarily scoring passes that did the defense in as in both seasons the scoring was pretty much balanced.  Teams could score on the defense either way.
    To summarize the defense, in just comparing the past two seasons can we make a few generalizations?  Oh, why not. Take them with whatever you want.  First, looking at total defense where there was a big difference, improvement last season over the season before. Second, looking at other important factors it would indicate that it had little to do with wins and losses and scoring allowed.  As always there are so many variables involved this is subject to debate. Next, I think we can say that the pass defense in the area of yards per catch indicate that the Miners have had more bombs dropped on them in the past two years than Dresden did in WWII.
    That sounds bad, but we can also pretty much count on giving up 34 points a game on average plus or minus if the last two season can be used as a guide.  That is in the Horrible area of the rankings. It is possible to be worse.  Not a lot, though.
    Remember that I thought that Kugler’s Offense was going to be pretty steady.  I was surprised.
    We will start with Total Offense.  Last season the Miners were ranked 102nd with 369.2 yards per game. The season before that they were ranked 107th with 342 yards a game.  But, in Scoring Offense the Miners went from being ranked 102nd with 20.7 points per game in 2015-16 to being ranked 82nd scoring 26.3 points a game last year.  That is a significant increase.
    Now, all of that is just what it is.  Schedules were different.  So were the results in wins and losses.  The Miners were 5/7 two seasons ago and 4 and 8 last year.  Are the numbers any help predicting future outcomes, or even trends?  I will let our resident mathematicians figure that out.  Those of you with crystal balls must really have to be careful.  I might have to get out the Tarot cards and my pouch of hen’s teeth and chicken bones.  Oh, yeah and try to work my way past all of the lies.
    Link to the Den and the Pre-Season Prediction Challenge Championship; http://kyyotesden.com/den/index.php?topic=5.0

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 10:44:00 AM »
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  • I think your analysis of the defense is spot on.  We were incapable of stopping the long pass.  Our D backs were not good, and our line was not able to pressure their QB.  Additionally, does the defense ever get to practice against the long pass?  Has our defensive recruiting been based on stopping an offense like ours?  We won't face many of those.

    Offensively, it will never look great.  Our offensive style will never put up gaudy numbers.

    At the end of the day, do you score more than your opponent?  Not often enough.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #2 on: July 03, 2017, 04:01:14 PM »
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  • 3 yds and a cloud of dust has gone the way of the wing-T; except Kugs didn't get the memo.  Most of the kids we recruit play in 7on7 leagues in the summer and some form of the spread in HS ball but Kugs insists on not throwing the ball effectively enough to counter teams from stacking the box.  It's hard to watch.  Honestly, I have a hard time evaluating the D since they are always on the field and fatigue sets in late in the game.  One thing about the D is certain, the DBs have to play better.  Their play has been horrid the last 2 seasons.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 07:33:59 PM »
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  • Nice write-up Kyy, some good research there.  So what is the overall feel or consensus among you guys on Kugler?  This will be his 5th year, his best season being a 7-6 campaign in 2014.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 08:28:55 PM »
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  • He has done a great job of preparing the program to go down to FCS football.  The students go to class and get good grades.  Fine student athletes.  Modeled after the Rice program. Except we can run and he refuses to use the forward pass for anything more than a long hand off.  He should find his natural place in the UTEP Hall of Coaches.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2017, 12:47:42 PM »
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  • I don't want to discredit Kugler's efforts in improving the academic standards among his players, as ultimately that is in itself the most important thing for these kids.  However, if we are looking at another season with less than 5 wins, does he still have a UTEP head coaching job going into 2018? 

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #6 on: July 06, 2017, 10:28:36 PM »
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  • Tom Mason built up a lot of good contacts and relationships in the Dallas & Houston areas, despite June Jones. Neither Kugler or Stull will allow him to visit any prospects there. The school won't reimburse him for any recruiting trips to those places. Winning is not a priority for football and most other athletic programs at this institution.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 10:59:41 PM »
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  • I think what everyone forgets is that we win the ball possession times very well. The OC knows he has to pass the ball more. I just hope we have better speed at the receiving positions than we have the past few years. Also, no more keying in on Jones. We have no choice but to spread the ball.
    Good analysis of the team. I really think we can do 8 wins.
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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 06:59:37 AM »
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  • I think what everyone forgets is that we win the ball possession times very well. The OC knows he has to pass the ball more. I just hope we have better speed at the receiving positions than we have the past few years. Also, no more keying in on Jones. We have no choice but to spread the ball.
    Good analysis of the team. I really think we can do 8 wins.

    I would like to believe the OC and Kug know we need to pass the ball.  But I will believe it when I see it.  and 2 yard passes won't cut it.  We need the safeties out of the box.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #9 on: July 07, 2017, 07:54:45 AM »
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  • Tom Mason built up a lot of good contacts and relationships in the Dallas & Houston areas, despite June Jones. Neither Kugler or Stull will allow him to visit any prospects there. The school won't reimburse him for any recruiting trips to those places. Winning is not a priority for football and most other athletic programs at this institution.

    I find this interesting.  Why won't Kugler or Stull allow Tom Mason to visit prospects in the Dallas and Houston area?  Where do they insist that he recruits from?

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #10 on: July 07, 2017, 08:14:17 AM »
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  • Tom Mason built up a lot of good contacts and relationships in the Dallas & Houston areas, despite June Jones. Neither Kugler or Stull will allow him to visit any prospects there. The school won't reimburse him for any recruiting trips to those places. Winning is not a priority for football and most other athletic programs at this institution.

    I find this interesting.  Why won't Kugler or Stull allow Tom Mason to visit prospects in the Dallas and Houston area?  Where do they insist that he recruits from?

    I honestly do not believe the original statement.  It seems too far fetched.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 10:19:46 AM »
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  • I think what everyone forgets is that we win the ball possession times very well. The OC knows he has to pass the ball more. I just hope we have better speed at the receiving positions than we have the past few years. Also, no more keying in on Jones. We have no choice but to spread the ball.
    Good analysis of the team. I really think we can do 8 wins.

    I would like to believe the OC and Kug know we need to pass the ball.  But I will believe it when I see it.  and 2 yard passes won't cut it.  We need the safeties out of the box.

    Not going to happen.  Like wishing the stripes on a zebra are going to disappear and turn into an Arabian horse.  I believe Kugler figures if he could get his defense in line things would be fine. Below is a graphic representation of Kugler's ideal offense.  There is no "passing" attachment.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 10:43:44 AM »
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  • For what it's worth, we were somewhat balanced last year.  We rushed the ball 55% of the time(409 rush attempts) and we threw the ball 45% of the time(328 pass attempts).  That 55/45 ratio is fine with me, in fact it's nearly perfectly balanced.  But as has been mentioned above, I think that the placement of our 45% pass attempts is the biggest issue.  Too many of our pass attempts are within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage, which isn't much different than a Rush attempt in regards to stretching the field and keeping safeties out of the box.  Personally, I would like to keep the 55/45 play calling mix, but stretch the field more and implement more of a downfield pass attack.   Make teams defend more than a 10 yard box and cut down on the number of sideways passes to the flats and short passes to Tight Ends.  Get the opponents safeties to back up a little and not always allow them to come crashing forward and adding support.  But that's just my opinion.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 11:30:22 AM »
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    The balance is fake.  Take the passes that are simply runs with a toss instead of a handoff and that "balance"  is more like 80/20 and the 20 percent of real passes are when the quarterbacks are at the mercy of defenders coming with their ears pinned back.  It has not been any different since day one.

    Oh, and I am glad you found the new place easily enough.

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    Re: It Isn’t Too Early To Talk UTEP Miners Football
    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2017, 11:51:35 AM »
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  • We agree, a change needs to be made in our passing scheme.  When adding together our rush attempts plus our pass attempts that are 10 yards or less, I believe that you are correct that the ratio is likely around 80/20(if not worse).  When a defense can place all 11 defenders within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and defend 80+% of your offense then you are making it difficult on yourself to be succesful.

    Glad that you got the board back up and running as well.