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Miners => Den => Topic started by: kyyote on September 01, 2018, 07:17:16 PM
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We are wearing them down and are starting to impose our will. ;) I picked UTEP 42 to 17. Just as I thought it would go, so far. lol Actually, I think it took a quarter to figure out who was doing what. We got it now. Players are starting to show coaches game play.
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Not.
I thought we were going to see a little game control after the end of the 1st half. I was very wrong. It's going to be another long season especially after an FCS school man handles us.
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Well ain't that a kick in the crotch.
I will not judge Dimel on anything more that the progress these players and the team as a whole show through the season.
Kug's comments about a dumpster fire were less descriptive than predictive as it turns out.
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When they announced the two starting o-linemen were out for the season I cringed, thinking this might be the result. I don't know what they can do from here, but I'll be hoping Dimel can find a spark.
We're back to UTEP's traditional football slogan: Just wait for basketball season!
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I am so tired.
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List some positives, too. That's what the team needs to build on. 8)
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When they announced the two starting o-linemen were out for the season I cringed, thinking this might be the result. I don't know what they can do from here, but I'll be hoping Dimel can find a spark.
We're back to UTEP's traditional football slogan: Just wait for basketball season!
No. What came to mind while watching the game was that video of that guy who yelled out, "Oh no, we suck again".
I was not at all impressed by anyone. To the Nau coaches I tip my hat to them. I think that they wanted to keep it low score as that receiver of theirs could have had multiple touchdowns as he was always way ahead of the secondary...easy TDs. They just didn't continue the long passes which would have insulted us so much more.
I'm so depressed with the state of our football team and I'm not expecting a win against enemas u.
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I had expected a better UTEP team, but NAU - FCS or not - has a good team. (Did anyone happen to notice Kansas was beaten by Nichols State - another FCS team?)
Things really looked disjointed, with the exception of the two drives at the end of the first half. To be honest, we got some good yardage on series because of pass interference calls. Other times, the QB overthrew, passed poorly, or our WRs dropped catchable balls.
Here’s what I’m going to hope happens: the team will eventually get its shit together and maybe win a couple games at the end of the year. I’m going with the “new coaches, new routine” mantra. I’m also going to have a some adult beverages this long weekend.
lieb
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OK. There are players and coaches. Both teams have players and coaches. Is/Was the problem that our players on scholarship that we spent money recruiting not as good as the players playing for NAU?
OR... is it coaching?
Because the other team kicked ass and seemed to be able to just push us, out run us, out hit us, and out fucking play us and I don't understand how players the same size or bigger, faster, with access to some fine facilities, supposedly somewhat creamy of the crop athletes just get their asses kicked unless they don't care. And if that is the fucking problem send them all back to where they came from and get some players that care. Supposedly you can coach people to be better.
Having said that, someone explain how in the fuck it is that having had all damned spring and summer to figure it out they don't know who is supposed to be on the field for the first plays? How is it that they just looked confucking fused? How is it that we start the fucking season not having a quarterback and looking for one against a FCS team while they are eating our lunch and taking our movie money from us in front of our parents and we just turn it over while they laugh at us.
I mean each fucking player, I want to ask them, "Did you just get your ass kicked? Why? Because they other guy was just better than you or because the coaches fucked things up?" Coaches can just shut the fuck up. Nothing. Not a fucking thing can they say that is not the same worthless coaching crap. I am so fucking tired of being disgusted by our football team. It just doesn't make sense. I don't want to hear about the other eight grade team being a pretty good eight grade team. Our players are SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER!!! OUR COACHES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER!! But our players got their assed handed to them in a disgustingly pitiful manner and the superior coaching leaves one wondering how much money our coaches made yesterday than the NAU coaches made. I am so fucking pissed off to have to start another season of football with the team showing this side of our great school.
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Damn, KY. Sip a Brandy & a make a cigar. I wouldn't get too uptight.
I'll admit I got caught up in the hype as well & to watch that 2nd half at home was painful. Also, our 1st throw (Metz) was an interception. A Sr should know fucking better.
Now that I have vented, this is our 1st year & kids are running left instead of right. I'll admit our massive defensive line was beat by some smaller, but smarter kids crawled under my skin.
Anyway, we do have talent & we do have good coaching. It just didn't come together on day one. While I dont see it coming against UNLV or Tenn, I still think we can get 3-4 games.
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Chanson, that was after the drinks and smokes. I am just so fucking tired of the same old thing. A senior quarterback that has shown in his career that
he is not exactly we didn't have to spend a penny recruiting him. Number one spot on the team and we have a kid that medically the coaches should be held responsible for when his is addle brained. And his backup has never played a down. Maybe just maybe that should have been addressed. Who was the genius that landed the NAU quarterback. NO ONE! He landed himself! But we can't find a quarterback! So are our linemen big but just too stupid? How does that work? Too stupid to coach or coaches just too stupid to coach? You see, I just don't understand! They had months to show them what direction. The same amount of time NAU had and their guys knew which way to go but ours are confused! So, we have talent and coaching. Really? Then why the FUCK did it not come together? That coming together or lack thereof is the unanswered question. We have talent. NAU had more? Smarter? So we spend money and search the land from coast to coast to find player that NAU can beat just hanging around. How about our fucking AD just firing all and hiring NAU coaches and scholarship the damned players. If I had a Corvette that was losing races to VW Beetles I don't want to hear that the VW is pretty fast! Or that after months of preparation the engine has a miss or something. There is no fucking excuse! No reason that anyone has ever given that makes sense.
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Check out this article from El Paso Times:
UTEP football has a ways to go as it climbs out of the rubble after Northern Arizona loss
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/sports/college/utep/2018/09/03/utep-football-has-ways-go-climbs-out-rubble-after-loss-northern-arizona/1181710002/
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In basketball we always talk about freshmen adjusting the the speed of the game, and the size of the opposing players. It's true in football as well. I think it's fair to say that Kug left us with an absolutely bare cupboard on the lines, and injuries did not help. Without a line, you have nothing. So we'd better pray for a really fast learning curve for the freshmen, and an O-line coach that can teach technique really well. Otherwise we are going to be getting a good look at our 3rd and 4th string QBs.
Do we have a single receiver with quickness and hands?
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That was a good post Ky. You mirrored my feeling perfectly. How is that Nau who is out in the forest somewhere could get a QB like theirs and we can't get anyone. What the heck is wrong. Let me ask that again, WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG! It needed to be shouted out. Their receiver was twice as fast and twice as good as our secondary. Their QB was running circles around the defense. I just don't get it. I get so frustrated and really Ps'ed off at our football teams year in and out. This was a D1AA football team that showed us how the game is played. Maybe we should have gone for their coach instead of Dimel.
Maybe I should just give up on UTEP sports, I don't know, I'm really depressed about our situation every year. What's laughable is that the AD and coach want our presence and our money for inferior quality sports.
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NAU made the FCS playoffs last year. They are a good team. Nichols State beat Kansas. Nichols State was in the FCS playoffs last year.
Surely some of you know one reason FCS teams get good players is FBS transfers. An FBS player can transfer to an FCS school and play immediately. Lord knows, it happens with Sam Houston State. This past year, SHSU picked up a 4-star OL from Ohio State who got fed up with his lack of playing time. I don’t know how true this may be for NAU, but it would not surprise me if some of their players came from FCS programs - possibly even from ASU or Arizona. And those players want to transfer to winning FCS programs. If UTEP gets FBS transfers, they need to sit out a year and it seems we may have some of those. So, yeah. We have to wait until next year.
Again, I’m disappointed UTEP lost, but they played a good FCS program and not, for example Incarnate Word. And I’m as puzzled as anyone as to why the team seemed so out of synch, even with new coaches. But I want to see how this season plays out. At least we didn’t have a reprise of the Tommy Hudspeth “era” (an opening 83-6 loss to Utah). Frankly, I’m more upset with the shade of orange on our uniforms. If they had been all orange, I’d have thought we’d stolen Tennessee’s practice unis.
lieb
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How in the fuck is it that a head coach who was an NFL Offensive Line Coach, who is so fucking hard headed that he runs the ball every fucking play for years and it doesn't work BUT he is building the line leave and we have no offensive line!!??? How does that even happen unless the guy was trying to undermine the program and even then it would be hard. BUT, at UTEP we make the impossible happen! The article says the freshman should be a bright light in years to come. I just want to kick someone in the nuts for that shit! WTF! The center has never played center! WTF!! Nothing makes any sense! Jerrod Brooks played his usual solid game. If I remember right, he was a Mike Price recruit! So after years of idiotic, stupid football because we were building an offensive line, NO, A PROGRAM built around the power running behind and powerful offensive line, we have no line. Not good line because the great one left. Not an ok line because we are rebuilding. Nope! We can't seem to even find enough guys to play kind of we don't have an offensive line. Seriously, how is that even possible? They tell me it is because Kugler left the cupboard bare. Surely, he was getting players with his scholarship allocations. Who are they? Where are they? No one noticed? Seriously. That just doesn't make any sense. How it could get to this point doesn't make any sense. But, it seems to me that it was a surprise to our new coaches! Didn't they notice the empty shelves? Or, they did and did nothing about it? There was nothing they could do about it? I am sorry, I know I am not supposed to be bitching, but I admit that all of this just leaves me shaking my head in amazement that somehow, someway, beyond anything that makes any sense, we find a way to do what we do! Like we find ways to fuck shit up BETTER AND MORE OFTEN AND EFFECTIVELY than if we were actually trying to fuck shit up! I mean we are the team with the guy who runs the wrong way for a touchdown. Our guy would find a way to run into a referee to knock himself down in the end zone for a safety, with an unsportsmanlike conduct call thrown in for good measure.
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I would say that rant is now the gold standard for UTEP football. Senter should have to read this aloud every day to himself and Dimel. When we have a new president, he or she should read it aloud to both of them every day until we no longer suck or we fire them. We would seriously be better off taking the 3A HS championship team intact and fielding them as true freshmen.
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I read that both Darren Gatewood and Greg Long were hurt. Both starting linemen. Don't know if they got hurt in the game or prior. Two freshmen took their place.
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In my opinion the current problem with this team, as some of you guys have already mentioned, lies in the quality of players that make up this roster. The team consists of many guys who frankly have no business playing division I NCAA football. Kugler and his staff truly picked up players from the bottom of the recruiting barrel, lots of which are from El Paso. Now I am an El Paso native and I love the idea of having home-grown players playing ball for the Miners, but the reality is that the talent coming out of the Sun City is not up to standard. I asked a recent former player from UTEP's football team (who himself graduated from an El Paso high school) how many players he thought were division I quality players that graduate each year from El Paso. His answer, maybe 4 to 7 across the entire city. How many are on this roster? Obviously, this is only a small part of the overall much larger problem.
When you go to the games, watch the players warm-up for both UTEP and the opposing team that they may be playing. You do not have to be a scout to see the difference in quality from our guys to theirs, no matter really who they are playing. Northern Arizona, for instance, has some pretty damn good football players on their team, from the quarterback, wide receiver, running back, punt returner, both offensive and defensive lines, etc. Now Ky, I am not making the lousy excuse other people are making that Northern Arizona is a "pretty good team so let's not feel too bad about our guys." No, what I am saying is teams like Northern Arizona have recruited and developed players who are quality, division I NCAA athletes. Our roster seriously resembles that of, for really lack of a better description, a high school team made up of fifth year seniors if there ever were some. There is not a lot of speed, there is not a lot of size, I personally do not see tons of athleticism, they are not exactly physical at the point of attack, and there is not heaps of skill among every position. I am sorry to say but our players do not currently meet a standard that is competitive with other NCAA football programs, and that is the result of very poor recruiting.
Hope is not lost however. I do believe this coaching staff is superior to the previous group. I do think they will be able to improve the program with better recruits and transfers, which they have already shown. It is going to take time to develop and nurture this project, but it's going to require lots of sweat and grit and a commitment to constant improvement. The sloppy penalties and poor assignments on Saturday night though, needs to be cleaned up NOW. No excuse for that nonsense. But I am hoping, as the rest of you, that the team will pull through and begin to trend upwards.
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I do believe this coaching staff is superior to the previous group. (quote from EMA)
After a 0-12 season I think Americas coaching staff is superior to last year which isn't saying much. I'm hopeful that after we go through another no win season that at least some of the players that are D1 quality can learn something or a lot. But...that's us Miner fans...we hope and that's all we got.
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How in the fuck is it that a head coach who was an NFL Offensive Line Coach, who is so fucking hard headed that he runs the ball every fucking play for years and it doesn't work BUT he is building the line leave and we have no offensive line!!??? How does that even happen unless the guy was trying to undermine the program and even then it would be hard. BUT, at UTEP we make the impossible happen! The article says the freshman should be a bright light in years to come. I just want to kick someone in the nuts for that shit! WTF! The center has never played center! WTF!! Nothing makes any sense! Jerrod Brooks played his usual solid game. If I remember right, he was a Mike Price recruit! So after years of idiotic, stupid football because we were building an offensive line, NO, A PROGRAM built around the power running behind and powerful offensive line, we have no line. Not good line because the great one left. Not an ok line because we are rebuilding. Nope! We can't seem to even find enough guys to play kind of we don't have an offensive line. Seriously, how is that even possible? They tell me it is because Kugler left the cupboard bare. Surely, he was getting players with his scholarship allocations. Who are they? Where are they? No one noticed? Seriously. That just doesn't make any sense. How it could get to this point doesn't make any sense. But, it seems to me that it was a surprise to our new coaches! Didn't they notice the empty shelves? Or, they did and did nothing about it? There was nothing they could do about it? I am sorry, I know I am not supposed to be bitching, but I admit that all of this just leaves me shaking my head in amazement that somehow, someway, beyond anything that makes any sense, we find a way to do what we do! Like we find ways to fuck shit up BETTER AND MORE OFTEN AND EFFECTIVELY than if we were actually trying to fuck shit up! I mean we are the team with the guy who runs the wrong way for a touchdown. Our guy would find a way to run into a referee to knock himself down in the end zone for a safety, with an unsportsmanlike conduct call thrown in for good measure.
Brooks was one of Kugler 's early recruits in 2014. As per online source, it appears Locksley has pretty much solidified his #1 role. I have a gut feeling the Metz days are done. He may light it up during camp (he always lit it up during spring and fall camp during his time here) but he looked uncomfortable during the NAU game.
Dawn can flat out ball with anyone. He looked good during Kug era and put in solid performance against NAU. He can play the slot really well. Get this kid the ball!
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Once again, our defense is a sour point.
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Our passing game is just awful. Locksley can run but has trouble moving the ball through the air. Metz on the other hand has no escapability and makes terrible decisions when throwing. Running game has been respectable.
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I am hoping for a bid to the GE College Bowl, this year.
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The bright spot was Wadley. He had Jones like numbers running the ball. His only mistake was not running to the end zone at an angle and faster D backs would catch him. Jones would take an angle when he felt a kid catching him. Also, our backs (excluding Dimel) can not block.
Other than Wadley our QB play, especially from Metz, was not there. Our O-line was better, our whole defense just sucks. Our D-line is massive, but can't make plays or tackle. Our linebackers can't cover or tackle & our D-backs need help. Beverly is supposed to be our best back, but he got burned all night.
Tennessee is not only going to hand us our asses, but there 2nd & 3rd strings will be playing the 2nd half of the game. They will be our 1st view of how a real defense can dominate.
Even though I am naming kids, I blame coaching still. Having that many flags is a result of the coaches. Technique is something the Miners don't have.
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Miners defense came to play! Nothing can take that away. For the first quarter, the Miners are playing football versus Tennessee.
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Second half: Lockley overthrows his man and almost gets intercepted. Next, he has an open man and under throws his man. If coach is too dumb to realize that this joker is not D1 material then there's nothing that anyone can say to make him see it. Locks sucks in two words. >:(